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Wednesday, August 02, 2006

Possible Delays For Vista!

Again, it seems like Vista is going to be delayed. After a 5 year wait, Microsoft promised (read: Hoped) to deliver a Gold release in November. But claiming that Vista required “a few more weeks” to tweak and scale back features, the date was pushed back to January. Now, Gates is hinting that there’s a good chance (an 80% chance) that Vista’s “Due-Date” will be pushed back again.

There are two camps on this whole issues.
Some think that this will really hurt Microsoft in the "sales department". Other believe that they are so far behind on Vista's delivery, that they should just take their time and do it right.

Given that the recommended system requirements are as follows:

  • 1 GHz 32-bit (x86) or 64-bit (x64) processor.
  • 1 GB of system memory.
  • A graphics processor that runs Windows Aero.
  • 128 MB of graphics memory.
  • 40 GB of hard drive capacity with 15 GB free space.
  • DVD-ROM Drive.
  • Audio output capability.
  • Internet access capability.
I installed Beta2 on a System that met all of those requirements and more (Most importantly, a 2.8GHZ CPU and 1GB of Ram). The only issue I could see was that I was installing it on a Dell system with built-in video. The implication here is that the Video Card borrows resources from both the RAM and the CPU.

The results of this installation? I removed Vista and reinstalled Suse Linux on my test box. It seems that Vista Beta, on my particular box, maxed out my CPU 100% of the time. I will, however, attempt an installation on one of our newer GX620 Dells which far exceed the specs above when one becomes available. Again, because with the video limitations represented in my current test machines, I don't think it was as fair a test as it should be. Still, though, I wouldn't have thought that it would have caused that HUGE a hit on performance.

So, I am of the opinion that Microsoft should take its time as well. No good can come out of rushing to push out a half-baked product and repeating the nightmares they had with Windows 98 and Windows ME.

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** Update: Just a wee update to tell you all, that I am doing a test of Vista on an M70 Dell Laptop. This machine more than meets the requirements set out by Microsoft for Vista. (CPU: 2.13GHz, Ram: 1 GB, Video: Quadro FX Go1400 256MB, and 80 GB Hard Drive). I will post a comment on my findings.


  • I agree. At this point, with all of the hype that's been built up, and then all of the delays and stripped-out features, they're definitely going to be hurt in the "sales" department. But you're right, they should take the time they need to in order to do this one right (if they're capable of such things?). This late in the game, more delays hurt, but a rushed and shoddy product will probably hurt more.

    I find it a little scary that Vista flatlined your CPU at 100% usage. It may be the shared resources issue you mentioned, so it'll be interesting to hear what you see on your more-beefy test box. However, shared memory and integrated video are still typical (and somewhat unavoidable) features in notebooks. If this is what Vista does with this kind of hardware, things aren't looking good at all for the mobile market. For Microsoft's sake, I'm hoping this weird CPU behavior can be chalked up to the tested OS being a Beta, with debugging and other stuff chewing up all available resources.

    By Blogger theMatt, at 2:11 AM  

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    By Blogger Michael, at 2:23 AM  

  • Michael: It's too soon to tell what the 'end-product' is going to be like. So it would be a little pre-mature to say people aren't going to buy it when it comes out.. but i agree with you, in that, if M$ does it right ... the added security they've pumped in to this version will be well worth the wait.

    Matt: Ditto on all that you've said.

    I will try to get my hands on a 620 today - and install it ... see how it performs. I would suggest that the gx620 put out by Dell is a pretty common developer's machine ... 3ghz CPU - we put a gig of ram in there and it has it's own DVI video card in there.. I would say, it should be enough!! I'll let you know.

    By Blogger AlRo, at 7:08 AM  

  • I agree Microsoft should take its time and do it right there is no need to rush this thing since it obviously already missed the Christmas season. Microsoft really needs to do something right the first time it does it. There are to many poeple out there that say you should wait until at least the first Service Pack to buy Vista. Microsoft should take its time and make people want to buy it as soon as it hits shelves.

    By Blogger Michael, at 11:23 AM  

  • Yeah, do keep us up to date with your findings!

    The fact that vista is maximising your CPU isn't really normal, especially on a computer that has a 2.8 ghz processor and largely meet the minimum requirement. Must be some compatibility issue with your hardware.

    By Anonymous Michael Smith, at 2:14 PM  

  • Finding a computer with dedicated graphics memory is difficult (at a reasonable price--especially on a laptop), so I would think most people would run into your problem. They may need to wait just so that hardware has a chance to catch up with all this. Most computers still don't have a gig of ram (okay, desktop it's easier to find, but laptops seem to have trouble with large numbers on specs and prices below $1200). 512 is really all that's needed, but the 1gb is for Windows Aero. Did you check what happens if you keep it on normal settings without Aero (but then, why bother with Vista? It seems that it's just a pretty face with a new browser that still breaks and the same shoddy kernel).

    Yeah, Windows does need to take their time though. ME was a disaster. They need to try to get it right. Debug, debug, test, debug some more, test some more, throw every virus you can think of at it, fix all the security holes presented, test more, a bit more debugging....basically, test it as fervently as you would test the nightly build from any open source company. Get as many computer scientists and programmers into there as you can, get them all to read code, poke, prod, TRY TO BREAK IT, and see what happens. That's what the open source community has been doing for years--Windows needs to figure out a way to step up the Beta testing. Actually, one page to take out of Linux's book is to have pretty much any driver you can think of already be in the kernel so that there really is no reason why anyone would need to touch certain system files and they can be entirely closed off. XP saw a bit of this, but not nearly to the extent that the files could be kept behind closed and locked doors.

    By Blogger Mackenzie, at 10:49 PM  

  • I am interested in hearing how your test went on the Dell GX620.

    By Blogger natalie, at 12:49 AM  

  • update: I started writing my review - but half way through, vista crashed !! haha... apparently Vista doesn't like Anti-Virus...

    Natalie: I managed to get my hands on a Precision M70 to test on. I will post a basic review of how the install went and the quirks that i've observed.

    By Blogger AlRo, at 2:03 PM  

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